We plan on going next month . First time to that area ,any suggestions on must see/do in that area ..? I just made reservations for the first two nights in a resort motel near Porcupine Mountains State park.
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We are planning a trip to Upper Peninsula of Michigan ,any tips ?
by troubled mind inwe plan on going next month .
first time to that area ,any suggestions on must see/do in that area ..?
i just made reservations for the first two nights in a resort motel near porcupine mountains state park..
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I would like to hear your experiences with being SHUNNED
by jwfacts ini am going to put together a page of short experiences of how shunning has affected exjws.
you do not have to be disfellowshipped, even if you were shunned after being marked or after fading.
all comments are welcome, such as who shunned you, how long since family have spoken to you, what your situation is, why you are being shunned and how it has made you feel.
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I faded four years ago . One of my jobs is that I work in a Gift store/coffee shop in our small town . I saw a former aquantience that is a JW walk into the store entrance with her three small girls .She looked around quickly saw that I was behind the counter immediately whisper to her children, and turn around and walk back out .
At the grocery store I have had Elders wives avoid eye contact and hurridly turn down a different aisle when they see me . I am usually a happy person and I smile and wave to people in general . On the street where I live there are now six Witness families within a three block area from me . Two of those families are related by marriage to my husband . However when I drive past any of these people and wave ,eyes are averted and heads hung low .......
My niece by marriage and her husband have cut contact with me and my daughter in law (who is not baptised but was a publisher ), because we no longer attend meetings .......if only we would start attending again then we could enjoy her association once again ...???( emotional blackmail ) My in laws are Witnesses and see us once a year when they are in the area visiting . They schedule their visits so that we are not together with other witness family members at the same time .How is that for family love ..?
I had another witness start shunning me at another job I have ,but things changed this year once other co-workers observed her un-christian behavior . Workers had noticed her cold shoulder to me ,and I openly told them why she was treating me this way, several made comments about how a real christian would not treat others like that . All of the sudden this year she started talking to me again ,but only in group situations (so she would look good again in others eyes )
This spring when we had an Elders visit and he was encouraging us back into the warm association of brothers ......I laughed, and said why would I want to go back to people that treat me this way ? Later in the conversation when he suggested I could write a DA letter I said WHY would it matter I have already been judged by those in the hall ,they already treat me as if I am DF'd so what's the point .
No matter how high I hold my head ,NO matter how wide my smile is on the outside ,the knife wounds to my heart are always still there on the inside ......
To be rejected by those you once called friend is something I don't think you ever can get use to .
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Im not good enough for Facebook, but.....
by diana netherton inapparently, i'm good enough to have my 13-year-old nephew stay in my home.....my sister,.
his mother, has gone jw crazy again after fading over 20 years ago.
my nephew told me that.
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Is it because on facebook your sisters JW friends will see you and give her crap about associating with you ? I have someone on my account like that she doesn't talk to me on there because other JW judge her ,but she still likes to stalk my life
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Wore a Shirt to the D.C. Telling Witnesses About the U.N. WT Affair
by Clint Bussey inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysztoujjudo.
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troubled mind
love your music !
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Shouldn't have answered the phone just now
by Soldier77 ini just answered the phone and it didn't phase me that caller id did not tell me who was calling.
well, it was an elder.... he wanted to know the usual interogation crap, where i've been, have i gone to the dc yet, when am i going, i will love it, etc, typical bullshit.
then he says, "i noticed you haven't turned in any time for last month, do you have any to report?
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It is especially hard for you if you are still attending meetings ......All you can do is be honest and try to remember HE is just a man trying to do his job ,period . He can not force you to do anything ,and you really don't have to answer to him.
Seroiusly what is the worst he can do to you for not turning in time ? Give you a pep talk ......Just smile and say no thanks when he offers . They soon tire out when people give them excuses for not turning in time . You are not the only one..... our hall usually had at least 12 inactive ones at a time , people that still attended meetings sporadically ,but hated field service .
The preaching work is a VOLUNTEER work according to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society .
Now that you have his number in your caller ID it will help .
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The Guilt Trip
by odie67 ini was doing just fine.
then not too long ago i got a call from an old jw friend not on purpose really(thats another subject).
anyway we went through the "how are you" type thing.
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It is called emotional blackmail .....JW use it ALL the time ...
Ask yourself ,'Is that the kind of LOVE I want to go back to ?', Does a REAL friend make ultimatums such as ," I will only continue to be your friend as long as you keep going to meetings " ? (keep doing exactly as I say ) , Do you want 'friends' that make assumptions about you ? (you must be bad association because your not attending meetings )
When I was told by an old friend that they wished I would come back to meetings ...... I asked them WHY? When I was attending I constantly was made to feel not good enough ....I was unhappy .....I didn't feel freedom ,but felt oppressed and burdened down ........WHY would YOU want me to go back to that ? Especially when I am enjoying my life now and am happy ....
Shouldn't a real friend support you in your decisions instead of manipulating you to do what THEY think is best ?
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How to write a letter of D/A... and what happens when I do?
by confliction infirst off, i'm almost definite somebody else has already posted, asked this question, but i'm too lazy to look right now lol.... about half a year of contemplation, evaluation, and calculation has led up to making this decision, so here it is.. .
because of a multitude of circumstances, i don't believe fading will be an option as i originally thought, and i frankly refuse to waste any more years of my life trying to pretend to believe something i clearly do not, and preserve a connection to people who don't even have the decency to speak to me or befriend me as a fellow human being.
i am alienated as it is- i guess i'm just a weird and shy person, and that will not change anytime soon.. i plan to - in the coming months when the time is right - present a letter of disassociation from the congregation, and the watchtower society.. .
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According to the Elder that visited me a few months ago "It is very easy " all you do is write a letter stating you no longer want to be a JW sign , seal.. deliver .
My choice was to no longer play by their rules , so I won't provide them with anything other than a notice to no longer have any contact with me . If you want them to leave you alone then send them a cease and desist contact letter . If you really want to sever all JW ties then send the DA letter .
I personally don't see the need to resign when there is no membership list .
Apparently you can also be automatically DA'd if you openly celebrate holidays (Christmas esp.),join the military, or run publically for any public office ...even School board member !
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listening to an uncomfortable talk / demonstration.
by man in black ini was thinking this afternoon about a sister who was married to a witness guy who worked pt, they had one 5 yr. old boy.
and a 1 yr. old girl.. one evening at the tms she was giving talk # 3, and halfway through the talk she stopped, looked a little flustered, and said "i can't do this anymore".
she proceeded to get off the stage, and walked out of the hall with her husband looking very red - faced while he was gathering up the kids.. shortly afterwards, she was df'ed and left her husband for another guy.. back then i was just mortified regarding what she said, ( along with most of the congregation) but now i understand her position.. another extreme demonstration was in the late 1980's.
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As a teenager I was the householder for a new adult student . She was very high l ayswstrung .... During her talk she lost it and started crying because she lost her place .....I tried helping her out ,but the School overseer finally just told her it was okay and she just didn't finish .
My best friend always laughed when she got nervous .I hated having her for a householder because we would end up cracking ourselves up.
When I had talks I called my householder and went over the talk . Some sisters just waited until you got to the meeting and practiced before the meeting . This didn't work out well for one sister ,when we got to the hall and she was going over her talk with me I realized she had misread the material ....she was giving the pro veiwpoint of material that should have been the negative outlook instead .......
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Say " Hello " to the Least Racist Person in America
by flipper inin the spirit of keeping all our race relations positive- thought i'd start this thread.
from the time i was born i've been around people of all walks of life in america.
i love em' all.
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I feel much the same way you do Flipper .
When I was in school I was around a nice blend of cultures and I liked the diversity . I felt comfortable around everyone. I had family members that said predjudice things ,but I just never had those feelings for other people . We all are human ,period . The mixture of differences makes it interesting and wonderful .
I now live in a small mid-west mostly all white community . It never ceases to shock me how prejudice some in this community still are .....I work with several old retired guys that say some of the most ignorant things about other races . I know it is because they have just never been exposed to different cultures in thier real life ....but still some of their comments burn me up. I have lost my cool with them more than once for using racial deragatory language . I do my best to re-educate them
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I knew this about the saliva protein being the real allergy trigger . Some cat breeds don't possess as much of this protein. We have had Siamese in the past that didn't bother him as much . This kittens coat is very unusual ,reminds me of a rabbits fur .
The first thing we noticed about this kitten is that when he scratched my husband it didn't welt up like most cats cause him to do . He also has not had any allergy attacks yet ...usually his eyes start watering and itching very badly, and sinuses go crazy .
I volunteer for the humane society and this kitten is from there . We have him on trial basis for a week to see how my husband reacts .
I really hope it works out because we both really adore him . His personality is just great . He is very people oriented and affectionate . He and the dog are working out their issues slowly too .